tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post4209073413745755849..comments2023-04-12T06:24:12.472-04:00Comments on The World According to Bruce: Tide®-brand detergent in five-gallon buckets? Not a chance!Bruce Hobbshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-4062177225742978572018-10-18T17:20:26.901-04:002018-10-18T17:20:26.901-04:00I looked up P&G Proline Laundry and there are ...I looked up P&G Proline Laundry and there are a couple of companies that advertise Tide Professional, one company called Nasco sells 5 gal. buckets of Tide for $190.78 another company called S. Freedman advertises the 5 gal. buckets also but does not give a price Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-64997660773720480762018-07-10T14:00:57.850-04:002018-07-10T14:00:57.850-04:00Mike's Merchandise in Pelham, Alabama is selli...Mike's Merchandise in Pelham, Alabama is selling 5 gallon buckets with no name on the bucket as Tide but is orange with a blue lid. you can go to there face book page to see the advertisement. I posted on there site saying it was not real, they sent me back a private message that they bought the buckets straight from the manufacture of the detergent that makes if for Tide and asked me to delete my post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-71261670251987679052016-12-02T09:38:11.595-05:002016-12-02T09:38:11.595-05:00It is certainly possible that the powdered Tide su...It is certainly possible that the powdered Tide supposedly imported from Vietnam is fake as well. But all the counterfeit Tide discussed in this post are liquids, not powders. So I suspect that someone is importing real Tide in five-gallon buckets from Vietnam. This is formulated differently than powdered Tide in the U.S. and many U.S. consumers won't like it.<br /><br />Why Procter & Gamble hasn't traced this in Vietnam and stopped it there is beyond me. They can't stop it in the United States as the Supreme Court has ruled that imports like this are completely legal.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-644014562121759682016-12-01T08:53:51.152-05:002016-12-01T08:53:51.152-05:00hello bruce thanks for your great work and informa...hello bruce thanks for your great work and information. just curious why you think the tide powder pail from Vietnam might not also be fake?googleuser101https://www.blogger.com/profile/18404839777119472342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-74139234216998158782016-07-16T12:41:48.497-04:002016-07-16T12:41:48.497-04:00Thanks for all who posted comments. I think we hav...Thanks for all who posted comments. I think we have covered this situation completely and so I'm going to close comments for this post. Feel free to email me directly at bruce.hobbs@gmail.com. Please put "Tide" somewhere in the subject so that I can respond to you.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-38086781241981250082016-07-16T12:39:10.802-04:002016-07-16T12:39:10.802-04:00Stevie Malm,
The Vietnamese writing indicates tha...Stevie Malm,<br /><br />The Vietnamese writing indicates that it is genuine Tide exported from Vietnam. It is formulated for the Vietnamese market and not the U.S. market. So I'm not surprised that you are disappointed in it.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-72876120328204778492016-07-16T12:31:29.751-04:002016-07-16T12:31:29.751-04:00Georg, I'm sorry that this blog post is confus...Georg, I'm sorry that this blog post is confusing. It has been more popular than I expected and many of the comments have been informative. The original post needs to be archived and rewritten. Let's see if I can cut through the confusion.<br /><br />Procter & Gamble does not sell Tide® laundry detergent in five-gallon buckets. If you see it sold this way, it is likely counterfeit.<br /><br /><b>However</b>, there are two exceptions:<br /><br />P&G is selling powdered Tide in five-gallon buckets overseas, specifically in Vietnam. Someone in Vietnam is legally exporting that to the United States for resale. There are two caveats with this: It is powdered, not liquid, and it is formulated for the Vietnamese market and people have complained that it doesn't work as well for them as powdered Tide in the U.S. These buckets have the "CHUYÊN DUNG" branding and there is an image above about this.<br /><br />P&G sells Tide in five-gallon buckets in the U.S. for industrial users. I'm not seeing these show up for resale likely because they're too expensive. My guess is that they sell for over $100 per bucket.<br /><br />When I wrote the original post, I did not know about these two exceptions and I have tried to update it. I hope this comment helps.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-75355680896755977152016-07-16T12:19:26.358-04:002016-07-16T12:19:26.358-04:00Profitable Solutions Fundraising: I approved your ...Profitable Solutions Fundraising: I approved your comment and put an update at the top to let people know of your web site.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-10592810923857417962016-07-11T07:57:10.244-04:002016-07-11T07:57:10.244-04:00My husband purchased a 9 gallon bucket of powdered...My husband purchased a 9 gallon bucket of powdered detergent 2 days ago. The writing on it is all in Vietnamese. I tried looking up retail price but found nothing. Is it fake? I used it yesterday but it didnt seem to work very well. I think he paid 20 bucks for it at a garage sellStevie Marie Malmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15283658424587194997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-65976166975046397622016-06-22T21:33:59.944-04:002016-06-22T21:33:59.944-04:00It's actually ironic that this post is confusi...It's actually ironic that this post is confusing and contradicting.<br /><br />A) You state somewhere in your post that Tide does INDEED sell 5gal industrial buckets, the price is irrelevant. This contradicts anything said about Tide not being available in 5 gal buckets.<br /><br />B) You and some others say that genuine Tide is indeed sold in 5gal buckets, eg. in Vietnam. I came to this blog post because I read something about fake Tide sold on ebay etc, this was all this "CHUYÊN DUNG" branded stuff, and those ebay sellers sell it in powder form. Some claimed its "fake" since Tide "doesn't sell Tide in 5gal buckets", and now it looks like "oh, it's genuine, it's the Tide which is imported from Vietnam".<br /><br />Georghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278680315350632383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-58227941232443570192016-06-22T11:37:58.954-04:002016-06-22T11:37:58.954-04:00Good Morning America did a test in three ways: Pl...Good Morning America did a test in three ways: Plain water, fake Tide, and real Tide, all on a common stain on a onsey. The plain water and fake tide had similar results. The real Tide removed the stain. They noted that the FAKE Tide was much thinner from being watered down from whatever formula was used. The REAL Tide worked fine on the stain, the fake one did not. MountainMan41https://www.blogger.com/profile/14203074930276623219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-55593481252115100152016-06-18T16:40:23.981-04:002016-06-18T16:40:23.981-04:00We are a high volume supplier of 5 gallon laundry ...We are a high volume supplier of 5 gallon laundry products and we do not misrepresent the products that we sell. We do manufacture products that we believe offer comparable performance and scent but we are very clear on all of our marketing materials what is being sold. It hurts our industry when there are individuals that are out selling products that they are mislabeling or misrepresenting intentionally to defraud buyers. We take the matter very seriously if we find any misrepresentation of our products by fundraising groups that are selling them. I encourage buyers to recognize the value in companies that are offering these quality products for fundraising purposes that are not misrepresenting them because we are offering an ongoing financial solution to thousands of non profit groups that are using these products to reach fundraising goals they would not otherwise be able to reach. All companies in this industry are not selling counterfeits or out to defraud buyers. For a reputable company with thousands of happy customers please visit our website at www.profitablesolutionsfundraising.comProfitable Solutions Fundraisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668300540654021165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-37900402581111361512016-03-10T10:49:22.146-05:002016-03-10T10:49:22.146-05:00Anonymous, P&G does sell powdered Tide in oran...Anonymous, P&G does sell powdered Tide in orange five-gallon buckets overseas. Some distributors are importing it to the U.S. It is legitimate but not formulated for the U.S. market. You can see pictures of powdered Tide from Vietnam on this page.<br /><br />They do sell powdered Tide in five-gallon buckets to their industrial customers, including dry cleaning stores. But I believe these are shipped in white buckets.<br /><br />If you can't tell the difference between the real and the counterfeit, you still may be at risk. There is no guarantee of consistency from bucket to bucket.Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-59979264133469379262016-03-09T19:35:59.821-05:002016-03-09T19:35:59.821-05:00Hey Jason what about 5 gallon orange buckets that ...Hey Jason what about 5 gallon orange buckets that don't say proctor & gamble or P&G. They say Tide w/ febreze. Looks extremely name brand to me. You sure Tide doesn't supply their dry cleaning stores with anything of the such? We mixed this bucket we picked up to make sure the viscosity and everything seemed to be in order. If this is a fake, it seems to be a very similar fake. We can't tell the differenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-21896847531399461252016-02-10T08:58:01.783-05:002016-02-10T08:58:01.783-05:00I think it is great that you are educating people ...I think it is great that you are educating people on buying counterfeits but not all fundraising companies are misrepresenting their products as name brand products. Profitable Solutions Fundraising is a great company with quality products that are sold around the USA to non profit groups. We sell quality detergent and softener products that are made to compare to national brands but are clearly advertised in this manner. Our industry is hurt when others misrepresent products that are packaged similar to ours and generally this happens with unlabeled containers. Please visit www.profitablesolutionsfundraising for your detergent and softener needs. Profitable Solutions Fundraisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668300540654021165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-88539775363113791742016-01-26T14:18:14.376-05:002016-01-26T14:18:14.376-05:004. You are probably asking yourself 'OK, so i... 4. You are probably asking yourself 'OK, so if most suppliers do not formulate their own product, where does it come from?'. There are a few possible sources. The liquid may be excess from a batch that was made in a major plant, but was not used due to the end of a packaging run, i.e. the plant mixed 10,000 gallons, filled 8500 gallons into normal containers, then was ready to switch to another product, but still had 1500 gallons left. The remainder, which is exactly the same as the liquid that went into the jugs packaged, is pumped into bulk containers and shipped to smaller companies. This is very common. <br /><br /> Another source is 'depackaged' product. Quite often, packaging mistakes take place. For example, there may be a malfunction of a labeling machine, and labels were applied crooked. Or, a retailer put in an initial order for 50,000 jugs, but when time came to ship the product, they lowered their order to 40,000. The retailer often will not accept the remaining 10,000 jugs later as they likely have a provision in their purchase agreement that says the product they receive can have been produced no more than 30 day earlier (or whatever number of days they dictate). These jugs then have to go through a depackaging operation. The contents are drained and reclaimed and put into bulk containers for transport, and the jugs are recycled. Nothing is wrong with the liquid at all. It just fell outside the date parameters the retailer specified. These products have shelf lives of years when stored properly.<br /><br />Keep in mind that this point is not specific to P&G, but many other manufacturers.<br /><br /> In both of these scenarios, the liquid is grade A perfect. What the company who fills these 5 gallon buckets does with the grade A liquid is up to them, but, again, many do not supply you with what you should expect. <b>Choose only companies that will stand behind their product as full strength, and unmodified!</b><br /><br /> 5. Someone in this thread mentioned that the liquid they received in a 5 gallon bucket had a rancid scent to it. The most common reason this can happen is improper handling or modification to the liquid. For instance, the supplier may have watered down the product and thickened it back up. The water or tanks used for this process could have contained bacteria. Laundry liquid often contains enzymes (similar to those in products like Rid-X, for those of you with septic systems at your home), which act as a catalyst. The enzymes in the detergent can kick these bacteria into overdrive, and basically you have a smell similar to raw sewage because the jug has turned into a mini sewer system.<br /><br /> 6. <b><i>Should you buy these 5 gallon pails of laundry products? </i></b>It depends. Some are excellent and save you a lot of money. Others are so poor that they can cost you more than the major brands because the amount you will need to use per load could actually be 3-5x the brands you find on the shelves. The bottom line is - KNOW YOUR SUPPLIER. Make sure they will stand behind their products. Sure, all of them will tell you their product is 'the best', but can they back it up?<br /><br /> Our companies, Brilliance Fundraising <a href="http://www.brilliancefundraising.com" rel="nofollow">www.brilliancefundraising.com</a> for those looking for fundraising opportunities and <a href="http://www.laundrywholesale.com" rel="nofollow">www.laundrywholesale.com</a> for wholesale customers , make no claims we cannot back up. Our philosophy is to provide a quality product at a reasonable price. Feel free to contact us if you have any questions. We would be happy to help!<br /><br /><br /> Thank you!<br /><br /> Jason Kuhl<br /> Director of Operations<br /> KS Distribution, LLC<br /><br />Jason Kuhlhttp://laundrywholesale.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-67092310528751930752016-01-26T14:11:49.134-05:002016-01-26T14:11:49.134-05:00As an owner of a company that packages laundry pro...As an owner of a company that packages laundry products in 5 gallon pails (among several other formats), I can explain to your readers the various ways these products end up on the market in most cases.<br /><br />1. First and foremost, anyone advertising 'Tide' or 'Gain' or any other P&G brand liquid in a 5 gallon pail is playing with fire. Most likely, the liquid contained in these buckets is not manufactured by or for P&G at all. P&G is very sensitive when it comes to brand protection, and who could blame them? They spend millions each year promoting their brands. This is also why everyone wants 'ride the coat tails' of these brands. Everyone knows them, and they are good products. <b> That is not to say that products from other companies are not as good or better. </b> But, these are trusted brands. You know what you are getting when you buy them. <br /><br />This all being said, anyone claiming that their product is real 'Tide' or 'Gain', or any other national brand is violating the trademarks associated with those products, if not committing outright fraud. In most cases, even mentioning these brands in advertising is a potential lawsuit in waiting. <br /><br />2. The dirty secret of many suppliers of 5 gallon laundry detergent is this - they water down the product, then thicken it back up to save money. I'll not dive deep into the chemical process they use, but I would venture to say that at least 80% of the suppliers do this. Plus, <i>most</i> (not all) who <i><b>claim </b></i>to formulate their own product from scratch fall into this category. Others use something called 'line wash', which is the watered down leftovers, flushed from packaging lines during a line change. In the end, many suppliers will cite 'solids percentages' as proof their product is good. Using a refractometer and the Brix scale, the percentage of dissolved solids vs water can easily be quantified. But, this test is unreliable when it comes to cleaning power. As part of the re-thickening process, salt is used. This increases the level of dissolved solids, but does little to aid in cleaning. Also, different surfactants in the detergent are effective at different percentages. Basically, these numbers are a bunch of voodoo.<br /><br /><b><i>A select few do produce product that is exactly what you should expect - full strength (including our company). </i></b><br /><br />3. <b> The thickness of liquid laundry detergent does not equate to product quality. </b> Most consumers believe that the thicker the liquid, the better it is. Truthfully, viscosity means very little when comparing one detergent to another. This is an area which opens the door to deception. Companies who water down virgin laundry liquid and subsequently thicken it back up use this area of lack of education of the consumer to pass off inferior cleaning power through the 'thicker is better' mentality. I have seen many competitor products and have lab tested them for actual surfactant levels (the important ingredient that enables cleaning), and have seen very thick liquid detergents with some of the lowest levels of surfactants. Also, when the watering down and thickening process takes place, often certain surfactants are added in small amounts, along with saltwater. These particular surfactants tend to cause a lot of sudsing, which creates issues for HE washers. <b>(continued)</b>Jason Kuhlhttp://laundrywholesale.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-24289091579562253492015-12-31T21:43:01.668-05:002015-12-31T21:43:01.668-05:00Unknown,
It's likely real Tide imported from ...Unknown,<br /><br />It's likely real Tide imported from Vietnam (note the CHUYÊN DUNG in the middle of the label). This is also five gallons of powered Tide and not liquid. The Vietnamese Tide is formulated differently than the American Tide and you might not like it. Let the buyer be informed. As far as the Cascade is concerned, I don't know about it.<br /><br /><a href="https://offerupnow.com/item/detail/57910099/likidos-de-limpiar" rel="nofollow">Here's your link in clickable format.</a>Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-30760769578086305352015-12-31T00:04:07.901-05:002015-12-31T00:04:07.901-05:00Hi i just came across this. Do you think its legit...Hi i just came across this. Do you think its legit?<br />https://offerupnow.com/item/detail/57910099/likidos-de-limpiarAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314063269162722662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-72701918138738649502015-12-07T10:21:27.219-05:002015-12-07T10:21:27.219-05:00Robert,
I'm sorry it took me so long to post ...Robert,<br /><br />I'm sorry it took me so long to post your comment. Unfortunately, Blogger doesn't allow links in messages. When I have time, I'll research your company and put you information in the original post with the others.<br /><br />BruceBruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-28335507046647369562015-11-20T15:19:10.155-05:002015-11-20T15:19:10.155-05:00Hello Bruce,
Royel Corp WET is a leading manufact...Hello Bruce,<br /><br />Royel Corp WET is a leading manufacture of cleaning chemicals and laundry detergents. Most of the detergents sold for fundraising come from us besides anyone claiming they are offering Tide Detergents. It has been stated very clear these are not.<br /><br />I know your listing a few fundraising distributors on your blog, we are the manufacture of these products. <br /><br />Most fundraiser distributors buy from us. <br /><br />If you can please post our contact details for anyone interested in buying detergent for there fundraisers or new fundraiser account that would like to be set up. We will be sure to clarify to them what these products are and what they cannot do in regards to selling products under trade marks they do not own. <br /><br />Royel Corp Wet <br /><br />our contact number is 773-590-0722 for customer contact<br /><br />our websites and brand names are <br /><br />Alondra Detergent, Rhea Detergent, Soffia Fabric Softener, Alondra Pillows<br /><br />alondra-pillows.com<br />rhea-detergent.com<br />alondra-detergent.com<br />royeldealtime.com<br />laundry-detergent-fundraiser.com<br /><br />The main goal is to get everyone on the correct track and its our job here to explain in detail how to operate a fundraiser, how to offer these and how not to offer these. Inform them of what can happen if they cross any lines with any other companies trade marks. <br /><br />Thank you Bruce again. This post we have been doing this one on one since the year of 2000<br /><br />Robert Soto - Royel Corp WET 773-590-0722<br /><br />This information of contact is ok to share.Laundry Detergent Fundraiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017042723840985789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-86706049087012192812015-10-11T13:28:07.907-04:002015-10-11T13:28:07.907-04:00Hi Angela,
This appears to be real Tide imported ...Hi Angela,<br /><br />This appears to be real Tide imported from Vietnam. Notice the "CHUYÊN DUNG" in the middle of the label. It is likely powder instead of liquid. If they say it's liquid, it's counterfeit. It will be formulated differently than U.S. Tide. There isn't a good way to stop this but I'll comment on their post.<br /><br />Here's my comment on their Facebook post: "If this is powdered, it's likely real Tide imported from Vietnam (note the CHUYÊN DUNG in the middle of the label). If it's liquid detergent, it's likely counterfeit (not Tide at all). I wrote a blog post about this." I'll add a picture of my comment to the original post above; they can't delete that. <br /><br />Thanks for letting me know about this. <br /><br />BruceBruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-18930676040250212052015-10-11T10:22:32.332-04:002015-10-11T10:22:32.332-04:00It is still going. See this post on facebook just...It is still going. See this post on facebook just yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/LiquidationStation/photos/a.582177815177613.1073741828.250470221681709/986611301400927/?type=3&theater<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822589141789624702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-46132301177415838812015-10-05T10:48:54.142-04:002015-10-05T10:48:54.142-04:00Anonymous, Any liquid detergent you buy in five-ga...Anonymous, Any liquid detergent you buy in five-gallon buckets at Offerup.com will be counterfeit and not real Tide®. I'm not saying to not buy it; I'm just saying that you may or may not have a good experience with that detergent. Your experience may even vary from bucket to bucket, depending on the seller's source and their quality control. Caveat emptor!Bruce Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153681946986022759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3618148288326820377.post-88443742331749182632015-10-04T03:15:59.152-04:002015-10-04T03:15:59.152-04:00Hi Bruce, Can Proctor and Gamble investigate ther...Hi Bruce, Can Proctor and Gamble investigate theres this site on Offerup.com i must say they are problably more than 10 sellers.. and dont know if people selling them are meeting any of this standards or compliance by selling . They manufacturing or not but they are selling this 5 gallons HE Tide Downy Gain liquid detergents they are high on price demand from $30 to as much to $100.. is it ok to know what is real?or not real? Or not to buy from offerup.com Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com